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记者：尽管你不高兴大家这么评论你，但是大家仍然这么认为，《霸王别姬》是你电影的巅峰之作。
陈：横看成岭侧成峰，远近高低各不同。要看怎么看，每个人的想法并不是一个定论，也不是一个共识，包括我自己我都不一定是这么看的。
记者：你怎么评价《霸王别姬》在陈凯歌电影中的地位？
陈：我对《霸王别姬》的评价是：一般人拍不了。因为他有非常复杂的线索要驾驭，他有非常庞大的一个叙事的组织需要逐渐地浮现，形容我自己的电影最终的东西是什么？是情怀，一个电影若有情怀，永远会被人记住。
陈：其实《霸王别姬》跟一个情况有关，跟我是北京出生、北京长大有关。在四合院里长大，所以我其实挺重的北京气，京剧对你的影响就是很日常的都发生了的事情，所以你突然发现这个故事跟你小的时候一起烟消云散的那些记忆突然重合了，你明白是怎么回事，我那时候搭一条胡同，程蝶衣在日本兵进了北京之后他打开了院门跑掉那条胡同也是我们搭的，那天是拍黄昏的戏，我就久久地站在那个胡同里头，在那个时候，黄昏非常安静，突然把我带回小时候了。
所以我觉得一个瞬间所发酵的东西的可能会影响到你整个的电影。那些感受在电影拍完之后，突然我梦见张国荣了，张国荣穿着戏里面的戏服，不是京剧里面的戏服，是他的长装，一个长衫，婉面含笑跟我说：“从此别过了”，其实这是文词，“别过”的意思就是告别了。然后我就醒了，醒了我发现我在梦里居然落了泪，我对这个电影就有这样的情感。
记者：为什么会选择他来演主角呢？
陈：我觉得他在男人里头非常妩媚，他的眼睛很干净，我需要一个眼睛很干净的男人来演程蝶衣，当初我到香港跟他说这个剧本，这个故事的时候，他说你不用给我看剧本，你跟我说说这是什么故事？在这个过程有一瞬间我记得他是二郎腿，叼着一支烟，眼睛是低垂的状态，我觉得非常非常美，非常优雅，我觉得他能做。
记者：现在来看这部电影非张国荣莫属，是张国荣成就了这部电影，还是这部电影给张国荣定了格？
陈：其实我觉得这个事情是你中有我，我中有你的。剪另外，举一个镜头的例子，在这部电影中间，文革即将开始的那一瞬间有一个他在恭王府的一个院子里走路，有一个镜头我认为在当时我看来是最为经典的一个镜头，就是地上有些煤渣，他穿着凉鞋，他踩过这个煤渣的时候是小心翼翼的。这个镜头，这样一个细节其实把他在过去若干年内是怎么生活的全都说出来了。所以我为什么说电影的确就是视觉细节的艺术？这种力量非常非常大。
记者：我们看过这部电影很多画面没法忘记，是因为它的故事呢还是因为它的色彩和声音？
陈：我觉得一部电影就像织锦缎一样，其实你的千针万线，千梭万梭你都不知道是哪一针那一线起的作用，它已经不重要了，剪如果你一定要问的话，我认为最重要的还是中国人的不屈的灵魂。其实给你留下最深印象的不过如此而已。所以我说为什么电影在这个世界的产生不亚于一个宗教的产生？电影院其实就是我们的教堂，我们这个电影院里，从这个教堂中能得到的其实有的时候比宗教还多。我为什么感谢电影学院？感谢电影学院给了我做我的表达的机会。
记者：得奖呢？
陈：得了奖我就站起来了，站起来了以后我就得意忘形了，哈哈。 因为“金棕榈”毕竟不同凡响，总共就那么多片叶子，能让你摘了一片这是很好的一件事情。所以我觉得我并不小看世俗的欲望，我觉得这些世俗的欲望都是美丽的。
记者： 但是你好象不愿意承认《荆柯刺秦王》是你的滑铁卢。
陈：《荆柯刺秦王》当然不是我的滑铁卢，所谓滑铁卢的意思是什么？你求胜心切而犯了大错，我认为我在《荆柯刺秦王》里没有犯错，我没有犯错误谈何滑铁卢呢？《荆柯刺秦王》可能是一个不合时宜的电影，它是在一个整个媒体还不够发展的时期、宣传还不够有力、观众的理解力还不够发达，这么一个情况下拍出的电影。
所以我要欢欣鼓舞地告诉你，《荆柯刺秦王》是一部我非常骄傲的电影，真的是这样，我建议你再看一遍，你再看一遍会有非常不同的感受，你会理解陈凯歌为什么要拍这部电影。
记者：那是什么影响了观众对它的理解？什么影响了《荆柯刺秦王》的影响力呢？
陈：这个要问那些看过的，仇恨、痛恨这部电影的人，一定要问他们，看看他们这些人今天有没有一些进步。
记者：你自己没有总结吗？
陈：因为我觉得不用总结，是回头看我做了一些什么，最后的结论是我并没做错什么。我给你举一个例子，贾平凹这个作家你听说过吗？他写过一本小书里面说到，杂七杂八谈人生，其中一点我觉得很有意思，他就说到世界杯足球赛，他说每届世界杯必有圣人出，你的存在即是对他人的威胁，你只要上场就受到围堵，人家要踢你、咬你、撕你、打你，而你要冲出重围必须杀条血路，圣人，就是这样出现的！
记者： 医行要问出处，面对陈导大家可能很希望知道您的背景到底对你产生什么样的影响？
陈： 你要问我的背景跟常人没有两样，好象你父亲就是导演，所以你深得家传而已。其实我父亲没有教我什么电影的事，与其说他教了我电影上的事，不如说他教我怎么做人而已。我只是那个嚼草嚼得比较细的牛而已。
说不好听点，我的少年也可以说是当牛作马。16岁到云南的森林里面去砍树，诺大的一片林子大家说这砍得完吗？可是居然我们把它砍完了。砍完之后我们有两种感受，第一种感受是非常非常地骄傲，看着长满老茧的16岁的双手，心里面一种油然而生的一种骄傲感，感觉自己人长大了，这是第一种感受。第二种感受痛苦万分。为什么痛苦？我们有什么权利把这些树砍了？
记者：是当时的感受吗？还是现在？
陈：当时就有这种感受，为什么呢？因为云南的很多树喷出来，汁液是红色的，这只是当时的感受而不能说而已。
记者：在你心里，电影的种子是什么时候种下的呢？
陈：电影的种子是不知不觉地种下的，电影的种子可能就是在我满头大汗，满手是血，刀把都握着，皮都揭不开的瞬间，砍着几人合抱的大树的时候种下的，也可能就是从山上走下来扛着竹子，那真是叫龇牙咧嘴，电影的种子可能是那个时候种下了。
从云南回到北京，我见到我妈妈，我妈拿起我的手眼泪就下来了，我还说我给你表演个绝技，什么绝技呢？我就真能够拿起一个小炭火来把这烟点着我都不觉得疼，电影的种子可能是那个时候种下的。
记者：这是生活，和艺术有关吗？
陈： 我告诉你，没有所谓的艺术，艺术不是在艺术学院里面，在艺术院校里面大家谈的那档子事，不是那事。艺术从哪儿来的？艺术是从强烈的刺激来的。 但是其实我可以骗你的，说我从小爱艺术，我从小受我父母的影响，我从小受到艺术的熏陶和教育。
记者：没有吗？
陈：扯蛋，哪儿有那回事？我父亲1964年全年在山西四青，他跟艺术都不沾边，我上哪儿跟艺术沾边去？但是我告诉你，你至多能说你住的这四合院，由于我们家对面是谢添导演，这边是我父亲，大家往来走动，上边带点人气，我至多能说在这个院里头我们得到了一些别的小孩子得不到的一些东西，但是我不能说我那时候种了艺术的种子。没有艺术的种子。
我一想，我上哪儿考大学去？77年了，我初中一年级的学历，我又没有那么发愤图强，我一直在农村砍树、操枪、当兵，后来哪儿有功把高中的数理化、初中三年的数理化咱全温一遍，咱能考上北大、清华，这梦能做吗？电影学院不考数理化，电影学院是网开一面，让我们这样的青年能有一个机会，也登上所谓的学校的殿堂，咱们还不知足？咱们对电影学院一辈子感恩戴德，咱还选择呢。
记者：当时穿着军装，会打篮球，前景又不错啊，生活应该没有问题。
陈： 你千万不要以为我是抱着高尚的艺术理想进的电影学院，错的，是因为我无路可去。
记者： 电影学院这四年对你来说是物理反应还是化学反应？
陈：电影学院太好了，是第一句话。“尊师如尊父”这是咱们中国的老传统，是他们告诉我们电影对你们这些人意味着什么。每星期我们那时候院在朱辛庄，到城里面电影资料馆看两次电影，一次可能是两部，都是三四十年代的美国、前苏联的经典影片，而后做很多自由的讨论。
我父亲就教我看电影，买个小本，拿一支笔，一边看一边记，尤其是记细节，电影是细节的艺术。他不会坐下来语重心长，生活不是这样的，为什么过去的电影假呢？动不动就语重心长，没有语重心长，他就是随意告诉你这么一件事，让你受益匪浅。
同意最后那句，电影是看细节。。。
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